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[pmorris]

Terran, on 01 March 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Pmorris,

It's possible that it's a flooded open pit mine, but where are the roads or railway to get the stuff out. This body of water is sitting in a pretty isolated location. Yet anything is possible.

If we were in the U.S., I'd consider a flooded town under a reservoir, but again the size of the structures and the isolation is a detractor. How the hell did they get anything, that size, in there?

Who knows?

Terran

There was a lot of mining in the area in the late 1800s according to:

http://books.google....chester&f=false

...but a quick scan shows nothing of that size or the same lat/lon coordinates.

I'm still not ruling out the possibility of aliens .

Interesting research,
Paul

[Stradicman]

Terran, on 01 March 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Stradicman,

But for what purpose? It would cost a fortune. Can't imagine the broken lines are for controlling water. Maybe some purpose for logging? Who knows?


Perch Hunter - Thanks for the co-ordinates. Never thought of that. If it is some sort of Fisheries project it's on a scale I've never seen them take on before. There's a pile of time and money invested in this thing. From appearance, anyway.

Terran

I thought it might be an old limestone quarry for the larfarge plant.Not sure but i think the cement plant was there in the early 60's.Just a possability but i would really like to know for sure.

[pmorris]

It's large, but not outrageously so. The visible parts appear to be no longer than 200m in length and 20m in width. Could the broken lines be piles of rock used as "guardrails" on roads going down to a quarry / open pit mine?

Paul

[Guest]

A couple of excellant threads today, inclusive of this one.
Keep It going.

[BigGuy]

I would saw its an abandoned mine but...it sure looks strange...

[Terran]

pmorris, on 01 March 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

It's large, but not outrageously so. The visible parts appear to be no longer than 200m in length and 20m in width. Could the broken lines be piles of rock used as "guardrails" on roads going down to a quarry / open pit mine?

Paul

Hi Pmorris,

I would agree on your measurements. What's your take on the open ended sections of the northmost structure?

Looking at the shoreline, it does appear that the sections between the "hash marks" have been dredged or deepened into the shoreline. Yet there is no indication of a road exiting onto shore. Very peculiar.

You would think that if these were roads there would be some indication of their course on the land around the "lake".

If anyone lives in the area, I'd love to see some photos. Looks like a hard slog back into this site, though.

Thanks Paul,

Terran

[chaseforen777]

This is a neat discovery; I feel I spend an extraordinary amount of time on Google maps searching out interesting waterways and potential fishing sites. I haven't come across this before though. I don't handle this stuff very well either, despite the fact it's an hour and twenty minutes from my door to the questionable dirt road to the east of the formation, I may indeed find myself there this weekend, or one soon. Unless somebody beats me to it and takes a couple photos? Please beat me to it someone. Please!! Hahahaha. Great topic.

Chase

[Terran]

Hey Chase,



Yeah, it's driving me crazy too.

BUT, if you do go venturing to this spot, PLEEAASSEE- get lots of photo's. I'm a short trip from whacko now - this thing could put me there.

Terran

[pmorris]

Terran, on 02 March 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

Hi Pmorris,

I would agree on your measurements. What's your take on the open ended sections of the northmost structure?

Looking at the shoreline, it does appear that the sections between the "hash marks" have been dredged or deepened into the shoreline. Yet there is no indication of a road exiting onto shore. Very peculiar.

You would think that if these were roads there would be some indication of their course on the land around the "lake".

If anyone lives in the area, I'd love to see some photos. Looks like a hard slog back into this site, though.

Thanks Paul,

Terran

Both Topo Canada v2 and Ibycus Topo 2.1 show a "road" and "alley", respectively, ending roughly 35m from the edge of the water body. I think it's the relatively straight "stream" that you see from Google Earth that doesn't show as a "stream" on the topo maps because it's an old roadway that has flooded. If these are mine works, they may be decades old. Erosion and the overgrowth may be obsuring our ability to identify them more clearly. In any case, the information used to generate the topo maps shows a network of "alleys" that end very close to the water.

Paul

[Terran]

pmorris, on 02 March 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Both Topo Canada v2 and Ibycus Topo 2.1 show an "alley" ending roughly 35m from the edge of the water body. I think it's the relatively straight "stream" that you see from Google Earth that doesn't show as a "stream" on the topo maps because it's an old roadway that has flooded. If these are mine works, they may be decades old. Erosion and the overgrowth may be obsuring our ability to identify them more clearly. In any case, the information used to generate the topo maps shows a network of "alleys" that end very close to the water.

Paul

Paul,

Would that be on the north most structure's lower "arm" or on the other one at the "tip" near shore?

If it is an old mine (which I'm still not convinced), they certainly have left us with some mysterious remnants. You'd think there would be some sort of structures or encampment left? As for these structures being "guardrails", they don't even do much of that kind of thing at mines today. Take a look at the gypsum mine outside of Elmsdale - http://maps.google.ca/maps? q=Elmsdale,+Halifax,+Nova+Scotia+B0N&hl=en&ll=45.011631,-63.420146&spn=0.007221,0.013711&sll=44.965527,-64.13681&sspn=0.057813,0.109692&oq=Elmsdale,+Nova+Scotia+B0N&hnear=Elmsdale,+Halifax,+Halifax+County,+Nova+Scotia&t=h&z=16

Not a lot of "guard rails" on that one and she's a pretty deep hole.

Certainly possible, just not convinced.

Terran

[pmorris]

Terran, on 02 March 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Paul,

Would that be on the north most structure's lower "arm" or on the other one at the "tip" near shore?

If it is an old mine (which I'm still not convinced), they certainly have left us with some mysterious remnants. You'd think there would be some sort of structures or encampment left? As for these structures being "guardrails", they don't even do much of that kind of thing at mines today. Take a look at the gypsum mine outside of Elmsdale - http://maps.google.ca/maps? q=Elmsdale,+Halifax,+Nova+Scotia+B0N&hl=en&ll=45.011631,-63.420146&spn=0.007221,0.013711&sll=44.965527,-64.13681&sspn=0.057813,0.109692&oq=Elmsdale,+Nova+Scotia+B0N&hnear=Elmsdale,+Halifax,+Halifax+County,+Nova+Scotia&t=h&z=16

Not a lot of "guard rails" on that one and she's a pretty deep hole.

Certainly possible, just not convinced.

Terran

Near the lower left-side arm, but probably 50m further south. Do you have access to Ibycus? It used to be a free download (monstrous file, though).

Have a look at these pictures from the abandoned barite mine I referred to earlier. Not the same location, but look at the mounds of ore, etc. left behind and consider how these would look from a satellite depending on relative size, degradation, overgrowth, etc.

http://www.nsexplore...nty/smithfield/

[pmorris]

Here's the topo map:

[Terran]

Hey Paul,

Very interesting. Thanks.

Looking at the satellite version, you can clearly see the access roads into this old mining site. The first photo also shows the kind of road one would expect on an old abandoned site. Yet, at the "mystery site - no such roads are visible. It certainly could be a much older site and the roads degenerated more. However, you would expect to pick up something a little more recognizable; even with the limited satellite image.

While scouting other site, you can see very old trails. This image lacks anything convincing. Here is a satellite image from the eastern shore - http://maps.google.c...ps?hl=en&tab=wl. The line you see crossing the forest used to be the West Jeddore Road (Amazingly still listed as a road if you bring up - labels on Google Maps. Do Not try driving it!). This road has been overgrown all of my life. Used in winter by snowmobilers and often hunted. This road has small trees and brush growing on it and has certainly not been used by vehicles (except one unfortunate rum runner) for a hundred years. Then by mostly horse and buggy or wagon.

My point is you can see that it used to be a road. I spent alot of my summers walking this "road" exploring as a boy or hunting in the fall. It is well overgrown.

I certainly am not ruling out the "mine" hypothesis at the mystery site, but if it is an old mine - it must be ancient.

Still would love some photos, as I'm not convinced - yet.

Terran

[Terran]

Hey Pmorris,

After looking at the topo you provided and looking really closely at the satellite, I might have found a road / trail / path (?).

Take a look - http://maps.google.c...003428&t=h&z=18

Not sure, as it appears to be a brook at the shoreline, but it is the closest thing yet to a way into this spot. If it was a trail or road once, she's very old.

The plot thickens.

Terran

[pmorris]

Terran, on 02 March 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

My point is you can see that it used to be a road. I spent alot of my summers walking this "road" exploring as a boy or hunting in the fall. It is well overgrown.

I'm baffled as well because the "road" / "alley" marked on two different topo maps is almost impossible to see from the satellite... almost as though aliens restricted / obscured access to their landing site

Paul

[pmorris]

pmorris, on 02 March 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

I'm baffled as well because the "road" / "alley" marked on two different topo maps is almost impossible to see from the satellite... almost as though aliens restricted / obscured access to their landing site

Paul

I'm one crop circle and two castrated bulls away from reporting this to Fox Mulder.

[Rosco]

clearly aliens are at work here

[Terran]

pmorris, on 02 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

I'm one crop circle and two castrated bulls away from reporting this to Fox Mulder.

Hey Paul,

(LMFAO)

Now there's an idea.

Whatever this was/is it certainly has me wishing I could get back there and explore a little. I love a good mystery and this one has me scratching my head. The structures are the puzzle for me. If it is a road on the topo, the proportions of the "structures" dwarfed their access.

If it is a mine, I wonder how deep the bloody thing goes? The "structures" seem to trail off into the depths.

Mulder would be in there with scuba gear in a minute.

Terran

[Terran]

Pmorris,

Just a thought, Paul. Why would there be such a small trail into a "mine" and then they create the equivalent to a four lane highway down into the pit?

The mine scenario still has a few large holes in it.

Terran

[chaseforen777]

I proclaim to visit this site when the snow and ice are gone. However I do not proclaim it will still interest me when the snow and ice is gone. So I may not go at all.